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ClocksAndMetersticks's avatar

Reminds me of another essay (I think it was on sub stack) arguing that consciousness is actually a fragmentary thing, coming from little idea/neuron loops that aren't necessary continuous with one another. For the life of me I cannot recall the essay (I really need to save things on sub stack)

I tend to be some sort of mathematical realist--if the model describes the data well enough, then whatever phenomena the data is from really IS the model instantiated in some sense. In that frame, I think that the idea of the essay is testable in the near future, with neuroscience progress. If we can somehow pinpoint ideas in neuronal data, then we collect a bunch of data on their dynamics. if they're modeled well by population dynamics/modern mathematical models for ecosystems and evolution and such, than I'd be willing to buy that they are an instantiation of life.

Maybe this would be possible now from a psych point of view. Get a ton of people, and have them keep track of their ideas as they pop into their heads, etc. But I think that this channel would be too lossy to really perform the experiment.

Anyways, may have totally lost the point here since this is very grounded in materialism and I very much like the romantic interpretation, but these are the ideas that came to life(?) in my head reading the essay and your response

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Josie Butters's avatar

Initially I was put off by Bacon's idea that my big ideas were not really my own...a selfish part me wanted all the credit. But, by the end of the essay, and more so your essay, the idea had endeared itself to me. The idea that I was part of something bigger than myself. A culmination of thoughts and ideas over time that had found the right place to come alive. I've often heard people talk about their ideas like they were their children "it's my baby" and the need to nurture then as so. Thinking on how the right connection of people over time need to come together for a particular child to be born, sounds much like Bacon's thoughts on how ideas are "born". Is there anything more connected to life than birth. Perhaps he is on to something?

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